I'd never thought of putting LIfe in Prison up there, but it's a great idea as LiP is better than 80% of the crap on that site. I'll have to dig my old VHS copy out of my room in CT and figure out how to transfer it. Sotts might not like the idea though.

CoenBro and I tried to get it up on IMDB a few years ago, but it was rejected. Probably due to the fact that we said the something along the lines of the rape survivor grows up to be an actual homosexual under interesting facts.

i hung out with a lady who does children's programming, and she was telling me about how, when Sesame St. came out, it relied on all these studies of how to educate children effectively. And then Blue's Clues came along, and, with its simplicity and repetition, totally flew in the face of these studies and garnered 3x the audience Sesame St ever had. apperently children really dig predictability.

did you know that everyone can see snuffleupagus now? it was in reaction to high-profile stories on child molestation, and the producers deccided to encourage kids to make adults really listen to them when they had a secret.

what are you saying about snuffleupagus?!

Yeah I think that the other characters finally met Snuffy years ago. I remember being constantly frustrated by his walking away whenever Big Bird wanted to introduce anyone to him.

I also wonder if Snuffy would have saved Sotts' character from Bob's character's revenge.

i knew a girl who worked in a restaurant with the son of the guy who voices big bird, and there being a story about how a huge portion of sesame street was conceived while on/in reference to drugs, as much so as any sid and marty krofft show. of course, the above sentence sounds a lot like an urban legend.

by the way, that clip is simultaneously hilarious and sad. the way they all look at each other when big bird says "i can't wait till he sees it!"

but my favorite part? "but big bird, when people die, they can't come back." if they tried to run that today, the Official Christian Government would block it from airing unless they included "except Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died for our sins and came back to life... just because!"

Have you heard the one about the girl who got picked up by Nomar?

Crazymonk, JMay was so into the Nomar story as a possible urban legend. Did you tell a lot of people that story? To me it never had the makings of an urban legend as I was fairly close to its source. Also did you embellish the story?

Yeah, JBG the on drugs thing does sound urban legendy. I don't doubt that the Sesame Street creators used drugs while working. I do doubt the common extrapolation that their work therefore contained veiled drug references.

I think I later learned that I was mistelling the Nomar story, but I don't remember how. Did I tell a lot of people? No, not really, but I told jbg and he never believed me.

of course i never believed it because 1, it sounds like an urban legend, 2, i had heard a similar story (i thought) before (maybe from jon may hisself) and 3, nomar is totally gay.

The story about Blues Clues and Sesame Street comes from the book Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell.

i need to read that. and Blink.

i just finished freakonomics...

JBG,
How does the Nomar story sound like an urban legend, other than your level of removal from the story? As I am your source for the story, I can vouch for its legitimacy to a certain extent. It happened to a good friend of mine's sister, whom I have met on many occassions. This friend of mine, who told me the story, had no idea how big Nomar was when she told me the story. The story really imparts no lesson unless it was embellished. Basically girl goes back to Nomar's. He wants to sleep with her, she would rather not go that far, he asks her to leave. She also spilled wine on his couch, but that really didn't seem like the reason that Nomar asked her to leave, but rather an added insult to the injury of rejection. This all happened about six years ago. Just last Summer, my friend introduced her new boyfriend, a big baseball fan, to her family, and he was really excited to meet her sister as he wanted to get the Nomar story straight from the girl who was there. He felt a little awkward as he didn't know how to bring this story up around the sister's husband. Jon May was also excited to meet this friend of mine last year, and to try to get the Nomar story from an earlier generation. He was the one who informed me that it has taken on an urban legend status amongst you guys and that this had something to do with how it illustrated Nomar's OCD like tendencies. He also told this story as if the girl picked up had no idea who Nomar was, but this was not the case. I don't think she is the typical sports groupie, but she was more than aware of who Nomar was.

The red wine on the white couch in OCD Nomar's house was what made it sound EXTREMELY urban legend-y.

When the story was first told to me, the red wine was added as an afterthought or rather was forgotten. My friend told me about Nomar kicked the girl out after her rejecting him, and I thought "What a dick!" but also "Way to Go." Then I think my friend almost immediately added the detail about her sister spilling wine on Nomar's couch, and I thought "that paints the story in a new light": Nomar seems like less of a dick.

I don't know why I am defending the veracity of this story so much. I remember Crazymonk and I even talked about a friend who went out of her way to defend the roommate's suicide = a 4.0 gpa, saying that her sister got a 4.0 when her roommate killed herself. I guess I never really viewed this story to be about Nomar so much as it was about this friend's sister.

Did this Nomar incident really happen? I believe it did. I can affix a name to the girl who went home with Nomar. I went to high school with her, I went to college with her, I have been to her home. According to her close family member who is a close friend of mine this happened. The tie in to Nomar's OCD was made by you guys. I guess it is fitting for someone who has OCD to have someone spill red wine on his couch, but nobody would really like it.

So I guess we don't if it was a white couch or not.

You should make a Wikipedia page.

I'd say that for those of you who heard it semi-first generation, it may not be an urban legend. But for those of who heard it second generation with the emphasis on the spilled wine/white couch, it most certainly was urban legend. Even if it's based on a true story, the actually point of the story morphed as it was being retold.

I believe I was told it was a white couch, but I am not certain of that. Usually I think of an urban legend as something that is not true.

Hey guys,
I have an iMac G5 running tiger 10.4.7 and I an having a wierd problem. Whenever I go to a site that has an embedded youtube, flash or some kind of video, there is no sound. If it a quicktime file there is no problem. There is not sound no matter what broswer I use, firefox, camino, safari, or shiira. And keep in mind that about a week ago I was not having this issue.

Help Would be awesome
Thanks!